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How Would You Eliminate the Pay Gap for Women?

Pay for women in Boston is better than the rest of New England, but it's still not on par with what men make for the same jobs. Should we pass laws to attack the problem, or is there another solution?

 

The pay gap between men and women—the difference in pay for the same jobs—was front and center in this week's presidential debate. The exchange over equal pay led to the second debate's most memorable quip about "binders full of women." That statement became an instant Internet meme.

Slate, meanwhile, has published an interactive map showing how each state and county does with wage inequality. In New England, Suffolk County (Booston and a few surrounding cities) does best. On average, women here are paid 83 cents for every dollar a man earns for the same job.

Worst in New England? Coastal New Hampshire's Rockingham County, where women average 59 cents for every dollar a man in a similar role would earn.

After decades of debate, the needle's barely budged on pay inequality. What can be done? Should the government step in and legislate pay equality? Or should there be more societal pressure on companies? Tell us your ideas in the comments section below.

Related Topics: Binders full of women, Mitt Romney, and Pay Equity

G C

7:06 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

Google "pay gap myth". Draw your own conclusions. It is just political rhetoric.

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Dr. Peter Hill

7:58 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

College educated women earn just as much as men and sometimes more. Agreed, this is political football and not fact. Mens issues are totally ignored. How about talking about the public health crisis of middle aged male suicide. No other group has such a higher rate and if one drills down it is due to divorce and being thrown out of their kids lives in record numbers. NO one talks about issues of import to men, fathers and their kids. Time to engage this conversation.

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Alice H

9:03 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

Really, I don't believe the stats show that college educated women earn as much as men. And crying from a position of male privilege hardly gets my sympathy.

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Mary

9:15 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

I can say for a fact that in my husbands workplace women make a fraction of the men do at the same level, the same level of experience and same amount of work produced.

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Armando

10:38 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

Alice, you are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

The fact of the matter is that the reason men and women get paid differently <i>on average</i> is because of the career and life choices men and women tend to make.

http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf

Above is a link to a study commissioned by the Department of Labor.

Key graf:

"This study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers."

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Rob F

1:07 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

If you look at the numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, they show a clear gap between women and men for the same jobs. Their PDF reports don't show an actual percentage difference, but I found the raw data and analyzed it and put the results here:

http://www.filedropper.com/blswagesbygender

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Rob F

1:09 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

(addendum to my previous note)

I've never used filedropper before - when you click on that link, you'll get a page that looks like it's asking you to get an account with them. You DON'T need to create an account - in the middle of the page is a "Download this file" button. If you click that, it'll download the file, which is an HTML file showing the stats plus the calculated percentages.

Walt Cassell

8:16 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

There is no jib that I know of that has two pay scales. Im not saying there are none, but none that I know of. I meet people all day long in my line of work, I mean if you work at McDonalds you get paid the same, If you work at a Public Relations firm, you get paid the same, ( education counts ) And so on. I also know of men who do not have the same credentials as some women and they get paid less. The pay inequality works both ways. Or so it seems to me. That being said, it's time to go....

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Mary

9:19 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

see my comment above. My husband started out as an admin and saw the scales and women and men in the SAME position were no joke making 10-20k pay difference. It is unfortunately a VERY male dominated field he is in.

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Armando

10:31 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

Mary, then why doesn't your husband's company cut their costs and only hire women?

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B Springer

11:51 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

Hmmm....maybe Mary's husband works for a bunch of male chauvinists....
It is very interesting that the comments on this blog about how there is no income gap are all from males. Coincidence?

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Gary M

12:59 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

Mary,
I'm confused. Why doesn't you're husband report his place of work to the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. They are responsible for enforcing the Equal Pay Act of 1963 (EPA), which protects men and women who perform substantially equal work in the same establishment from sex-based wage discrimination. Or do you just like the extra money?

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Armando

2:17 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

[i]maybe Mary's husband works for a bunch of male chauvinists[/i]

If so, that's no way to run a business. If we accept that Mary's husband's boss is so fanatically predisposed towards hiring men, it means that he is costing the company thousands of dollars in savings, if we accept that women are paid less than men.

Further, Mary has not indicated the level of experience women have in the same position as men.

In any case, Mary's story is simply an anecdote, and is no replacement for hard data.

[i]It is very interesting that the comments on this blog about how there is no income gap are all from males. Coincidence?[/i]

Seriously, B. Springer, don't even go there with me. My mother was one of the first female executives at a major northeastern retail chain (believe me, you heard of it) back in the late 70s and early 80s, and outearned my father by a ton.

Waterway

11:16 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

If you all think there is no problem then a bill enforcing equal pay for equal work should be a non-issue. Apples to Apples jobs should be paid the same as long as that person is performing. Let's put it in writing and see what happens:>

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Armando

11:34 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

If there is no problem, then there is no need for a bill. Why complicate things any more than is necessary?

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Waterway

2:45 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

I'm sorry, I should have stated that I believe(from the data and personal experience) that there is a disparity in pay for apples vs. apples jobs with similar performance. Which is why I state to the naysayers: allow a equal pay for equal work bill since you don't believe there is an issue to start with. No harm no foul for those in the opinion that there is no disparity in pay. If there is indeed disparity in pay, this may help resolve the issue.

Maria

1:29 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

From the Department of Labor
The pay gap isn’t a myth, it’s a reality – and it’s our job to fix it.
http://social.dol.gov/blog/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

3:32 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

This sad joke gets retold every four years and the gullible listen like it is new. Let us suspend disbelief and pretend the pay gap is real. An august government panel decides women need a 30% pay increase to be even with their male counterparts. The pay increase is implemented across the board to private sector and government employees.

Let us examine the law of unintended consequences. Assume half of those in government are women. Payrolls expenses go up by 15% necessitating tax increases or bond borrowings to cover the shortfall. Local, state and federal budgets are disrupted and creditworthiness plummets. Taxes are increased… which brings strident complaints from selected women not entranced by the central-planned economy. Or people are laid off to operate within the same budget… fewer women employed but at higher rates.

Similarly private sector labor costs go up by 15%. Many customers, including women, complain they cannot or will not pay the large penalty now applied to goods and services. Businesses fail before women, who are now paid much more, can spend more of their increased disposable income on businesses who must pay female employees more. It gets complicated, which is why many will argue the new rules must be phased in slowly. .. just slow enough that the transition from America, as we knew it, to a European social democracy is largely unnoticed.

Still think this is a good idea?

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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Waterway

3:43 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

One could give that same argument about slave labor or about many many many things...there are many ways to solve inequities over time without the sky falling. First step is to agree for fair wages and then workout the steps to get there without shooting ourselves in the foot.

Julie Miller

3:48 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

Maria -
Thanks for the article from the Dept. of Labor - an excellent article. I am encouraged to see that they are developing tools that one can use to see if they are being paid fairly. Since we already have a law in place, the key is for workers to be able to compare their salaries with others who perform the same services. That said, within some lines of work that gets very tricky - as companies should still have the right to reward better performance from dedicated workers - of either gender.

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Rusty

4:31 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

Woman or Man .. if you do not like your job or feel you are not getting paid fairly......find another job. The whole world does not owe you or me or anyone else a living. We are a society of cry babies that will complain about anything without trying to take care of ourselves. Sorry to be crass but I was brought up to take care of myself and not look for handouts or for other people especially the government to fix MY problems.

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Julie Miller

5:25 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

Rusty,
The problem becomes when practices are widespread. "Finding another job" - a feat in this economy - won't help if one simply encounters the same mindset, unchecked. This is not asking for a hand-out, only for fair enforcement of law - which is and should be a function of government.

Michael Fleming

5:44 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

My wife raised our 3 kids, participated in the PTA, church and several charities. It was literally a full time job. Exhausted at the end of the day, it took all of her time, attention, and energy. I followed my career path, and I did well, but I too came home beat. But my day, like my wifes, was not done. I helped with the kids schooling/projects and did whatever housework that needed to be done. We were a team. Women now "want it all", balancing a career along with any family that can be squeezed in betwwen. BOTH jobs requiring everything they have, they now opt to do BOTH. It is not conceiveable that a woman who is doing a career job with one hand, and doing the childcare with the other hand, can possibly compete with workers who are dedicated to just one job and are doing it with BOTH hands. Just can't be done. Male executives don't take 3 months off to have a baby and expect that everything is the same as it was when they return. The cut throat world of business and meeting deadlines and sales quotas and the politics of who is next in line, and who screwed up the meeting that the CEO attended, etc doesn't just freeze waiting for your maternal biology to catch up. You want to compete with the big boys? Then you gotta make a choice. If you want to be a momma, God Bless you, but IBM, Oracle or Price Waterhouse needs full time scrapers who don't take the summer off. You want equal pay? Then show up like a man, fight like a man, and leave PTA meetings to the mom's.

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

11:39 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

Any 'adjustments' to women's pay would destroy the immense advantage held by female dominated businesses. If women are underpaid, these businesses have an enormous cost advantage over male dominated companies. They are able to deliver goods and services at lower cost and should dominate their segments. Why would women wish to eliminate this competitive edge?

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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Sharpie

2:15 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

The real reason both men and woman work 24/7 round the clock is because your money is worth less and less and less and less and less and less and less. And more less. Please consider Gary Johnson asap. Be Libertarian for one election.

www.garyjohnson2012.com

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Helen Sheth

9:46 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

The problem is that like Lily Ledbetter many women don't learn of the pay disparity until after we've spent too much time with one company and our ability to move to another is compromised by our age. For women over 45, age discrimination is very real. Benthere

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Gary M

5:08 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Helen,
Age discrimination exists for both men and women. Men and women are also discriminated against in the workplace based on height, weight, physical appearance, etc.. Here's a great article, based on existing studies, that show other factors regarding appearance (besides gender) on pay.
http://www.businessinsider.com/if-you-have-any-of-these-20-physical-features-your-pay-check-will-probably-be-higher-2011-2?op=1

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John Casy

8:45 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Fact women ARE below a man and it will always be that way. They need to learn there place in the pecking order.
Women get paid what there worth and thats not to much. They need to stop complaining !

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Wayland Resident

10:25 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012

The facts are that the pressure on businesses to hire and advance women and minorities is immense. I am in a service industry and I have refused to engage in discussions about advancing PEOPLE based upon their gender, ethnic or racial status. There is no question, however, that the discussions occur and that when the qualifications of two PEOPLE are considered the gender/ethnic/racial issue inures to the detriment of the non-minority male. This is without question a sexist and racist practice. The liberals in the world not only fail to condemn the practice, but laud it. Hypocrisy at its very pinnacle. I truly believe that the only way for the USA to compete globally is for the best candidate regardless of gender, ethnicity or race be promoted or hired. This is the argument which was the basis for the civil rights movement, but it has been lost in the shuffle. Gender wage gap is a red herring and subterfuge for more liberal social engineering.

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

11:04 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012

An excellent piece of writing.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

Julie Miller

9:39 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Binders - I don't think your comments are "for real" - but a mockery of evangelicals. You ought to cease and desist.

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Julie Miller

12:48 am on Monday, October 22, 2012

Binders,

In case you are being sincere, let me beseech you to get off the boards for a while and reconnect with your heavenly Father. I think you are doing more harm than good for the kingdom. Scripture speaks of the love and mutual respect required of husband and wife for one another.
At any rate, the President raises a great point when he says that penalizing women with lower pay for equal work is pushing families headed by a single parent into the poverty level, which would, of course, only compound the problem by requiring the mom to work more hours, possibly jeopardizing the time she is needed to be with her kids. But the greater issue is that it is simply unfair. If a two parents in a home bring in equally great salaries - it is really up to them to be generous in helping others, not up to the government to try to make that happen with allowing inequalities in pay scales.

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Armando

3:24 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

Julie, don't feed the troll. It wants you to respond to it.

Waterway

1:10 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

Enough already with rhetoric..we get it! You are a fundamentalist christian and have this belief. Luckily for many, the USA was founded on separation of church and state therefore people in the USA don't have to believe in the bible..just like you do not have to believe in the Koran or Torah. The basis for a government sponsored bill would thus be the constitution and equality.

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M C Stringfellow

3:15 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

Bindersfull, Miss Miller and Waterinfo are correct. This is not the place for a bible study. However your credibility as a learned man of the bible is faulty. The passacge that you refer to is not in Mark. It is in "1 Peter 3: first paragraph. or Colossians 3:18-21. Better read that bible again.

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

3:20 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

Poor bindersfull appears possessed by Satan, and beyond our help.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

10:02 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

Bindersfull is in fact Tammy Faye Bakker... back with us from beyond the mortal coil, and offering her wisdom on women's compensation.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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