Paul Ryan-Joe Biden Debate: Who Do You Think 'Won'?
The sole vice-presidential debate is done; did either candidate change your mind?
With ABC's Martha Raddatz moderating, Vice-President Joe Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan tackled issues and each other's positions in a brisk debate Thursday night.
As the three of them sat around a table at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky, issues touched on ranged from the deficit and taxes to the war in Afghanistan and abortion.
On Friday, we'll hear from Republican and Democratic leaders and activists in Massachusetts about what they think about the debate.
But first, now, we want to hear from you. What did you think?
Occupy Cargill
12:05 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
These men are two sides of the same coin when it comes to monetary policy, foreign affairs, free trade agreements, waging wars for economic interests.
Cheri Honkala would have made a great contender if our political system was something other than entertainment. Nobody cares about things like peak oil, fiat currency, or bubble economics because these topics are being kept off of the political stage despite their prevalence in academia.
If you wasted hours of your wild and precious life listening to these arguments, you lost.
I'm afraid that the Corporate Party already bought this election. Vote your conscience.
Richard S. Kazimer
8:29 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Ryan needed a cut man.
Garret Whitney
9:00 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Best line from the columnists, from Charles Pierce in Esquire:
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-debate-joe-biden-13626962?hootPostID=082d2e2283af00275f600bff9d214771
What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan?
Lipstick.
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
9:08 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Palin - former government commissioner, former mayor and former governor.
Obama - former community organizer and former senator.
Ryan - an illustrious career.
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
Cairo kid
11:19 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
You are NOT paying attention Rev! the answer is still LIPSTICK!
Earnhardt
9:23 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Biden could have won easily, all he had to to was to use his many years of experience to knock out Ryan at every point. But yet, all he did was match him point for point. When he had no clear responses he interrupted and chuckled. Could have been a knockout performance. Instead, Ryan came out the winner. Just goes to show the Obama team has no substance.
Magellan
7:11 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Actually, try this: think really really hard and see if you can think of anything that Ryan said that was of any substance.
The guy can sure use a lot of words to say nothing.
Mara
9:43 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Biden did knock Ryan out on every point. You weren't listening.
Earnhardt
9:52 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
The problem was, I did listen. I didn't hear or see any bombshells from Biden. For that matter, there were none from Ryan either.Funny faces and interruptions instead of experience and knowledge didn't get the job done. The whole debate was a recipe for sleep.
splinter
12:49 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Mara - I disagree. I think an even debate and both made good points.
I'd prefer Bloomberg vs either candidates but was impressed by Biden's energy/passion and Ryan's knowledge and idea.
I'm a fiscal conservative (after reading CBO's projections), but socially liberal so always in a bind.
Ebony
9:47 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Biden won hands down.. Ryan had NO supporting facts for anything!
shalias
10:26 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Truth won in the debate last night. Biden correctly called "malarkey" on Ryan's stream of fact-starved talking points. The Romney/Ryan campaign is on record for saying they're "not going to … be dictated by fact-checkers." Biden was having none of it and we shouldn't either.
Darryl Butler
11:32 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
If, God forbid, anything happened to a President, the United States would be in serious trouble if Joe Biden were to become President. He is incompetent. I think most Americans would sleep better at night if Paul Ryan became President if anything happened to Romney. That's what the debate is all about.
J Marie
3:17 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Totally agree with you- it has been a concern of mine for the last 4 years also.
Reader99
10:50 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
I also agree. With the show that Biden put on last night I am really worried if he were to take over.
splinter
12:47 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Good debate. I think both did well.
Did I hear correctly? Last night, I heard VP Biden assert "Obamacare makes medicare solvent to 2024". Did he mean 2124? That's 12 years from now and based on likely rosey projections.
Why didn't Obamacare focus more on controlling costs vs insurance reforms? That is, malpractice reforms (reduce costly defensive medicine), consumer incentive for everyone, a ban on cost shifting (medicare/medicaid only pay 80% of COST so hospitals need to transfer the 20% cost to private insurers - Maryland banned this?). Healthcare is 18% of our economy and impacts 100%. Looking back, was it handled properly or rammed through sloppily.
I also heard Biden mention they would control health care costs by taking costs out of the systems by negotiation drug prices, extract cost from hospitals, etc.
Just like Romney/Ryan have been clear about what deductions they'd eliminate to pay for a reduced tax rate, Obama/Biden haven't explained where these trillions in "savings" come from.
Obama has previously "suggested giving the government power to directly negotiate drug prices and allowing medicines to be imported from abroad would be ways to lower prices."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6837624
Cutting the profit margins in health industry would save money. But raises question: Should I start selling my pharma and biotech stocks?
Bummed Biden didn't respond to question "Why not raise the age?".
J. Parker
1:27 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Because he doesn't have an answer, Splinter. He's a motor mouth and has been for all the years he's been in office. He can't even keep quiet for a few minutes to let another finish his side of the argument. All of us older folk know this, and the only time there was a big laugh from the audience was when Ryan brought to light about what comes out of his mouth....Much of it very misleading, to say the least.
Chet
7:31 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Whoever you think won the debate I think we can all agree Biden is rude. We can also all agree that a moderator who had Obama as an invited guest to her wedding should never have been involved.
siobhan hullinger
6:21 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
Actually, I think out of the recent moderators she performed quite well. I don't think you would ever be able to find the "perfect" moderator. I didn't care for the style of debate - it lends itself to the interruptions and casual essence we saw. I thought the moderator was mush better than recent past moderators in keeping to the timeline and asking pointed questions. I do think she gave some significant passes to Biden but all in all, she was better.
What are your suggestions for a moderator?
Reader99
10:48 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Ryan won but he had a lot of trouble even just trying to talk what with Biden acting like an idiot and the obama fan moderator running the show there. If I wanted to watch gotcha journalism I would have turned on msnbc. And I never do that anymore. If they can't give us debates where we can hear what the person is actually going to do then why bother to have them at all.
Lola
1:39 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
I'd definitely would not sleep better if Paul Ryan became President, as opposed to Joe Biden. It would be like going into the worst time warp (more like a black hole) possible; the respect our country has finally given to individuals...such as child-bearing and marriage choices, issues that should matter to no one other than the people involved, would be set back decades. Instead of moving on, Ryan would work to set us back....what a nightmare it would be!
Lola
siobhan hullinger
6:28 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
GREAT graph in this article regarding who takes the hit when the Bush tax cuts expire. http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121008/BIZ01/210080318/Uptick-taxes-not-just-rich?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p
Cheryl Mavrikos
4:17 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012
Ryan won by default, as Biden defeated Biden. Somehow I don't think a giggle qualifies as an answer, or a snicker as a rebuttal. I've seen 10-year-olds conduct themselves with more maturity and articulation than our current VPOTUS.