Brown-Warren: Do You Believe There's a War on Women?

Trailing in the latest polls, Elizabeth Warren charged Scott Brown is part of a Republican war on women. Do you agree, or is this just a stunt?

Senator Scott Brown has opened up a lead over challenger Elizabeth Warren in a new poll released Tuesday. Public Policy Polling has Brown over Warren by five points. 

On the stump, however, Warren's on the offensive, saying Brown and the Republican party are waging a war on women. She's pointed to comments by Missouri Senate hopeful Todd Akin as the latest evidence of that war. Akin has been roundly condemned by liberals and conservatives alike for his statement that it's rare for women to become pregnant after a "legitimate rape." Akin has apologized and attempted to clarify his statement, saying he meant "forcible rape."

Brown has publicly called on Akin to drop out of the race, and asked that the Republican party soften its stance on abortion

What do you think? Is Warren right about Republicans trying to claw back women's rights? Did Brown call for Akin's withdrawal to blunt these attacks? Or are Warren's claims about a war on women just the smoke and mirrors of a losing campaign? Tell us what you think in the comments section below.

[Editor's note: This story is posted on multiple Patch sites.]

Sonny Beaches September 19, 2012 at 03:32 AM
Katy, Katy, Katy you're spending way too much time with the geriatrics sweetie, it's clouding your vaunted critical thinking skills. A "majority of Germans in Nazi Germany didn't vote for Hitler and didn't support his anti-Semitic policies". Herr Hitler never received more than 37% of the votes in the elections of April, June and July of 1932. He was appointed Chancellor on January 30, 1933 by President Paul Hindenburg, although the National Socialists never captured more than 37 percent of the national vote, and even though they held a minority of cabinet posts and fewer than 50 percent of the seats in the Reichstag. My point is that you really should spend a little time gathering some facts before you spew your venom dear. Take a break from changing adult diapers and do some research, maybe then you can add something to the conversation.
Earnhardt September 19, 2012 at 10:49 AM
@@@@@@@Sonny Beaches, I tried, Somehow i knew you would not be interested, Hiding behind the KEYBOARD and insulting is your game... What a shame, you have talent. BTW. You are getting slower with the comebacks... :) Peace.
Earnhardt September 19, 2012 at 12:12 PM
@@@@@@ Sonny Beaches, thanks for continuing to prove my point. How is the driving down on the low road? Ok I am off to do something you obviously do not do.... Work, BTW can you look out your basement bedroom wondow and let us know if its still raining?. Keep on proving me out... adios!
Rose J September 19, 2012 at 01:15 PM
What scares me about you (and I realize I am opening myself up to a tiresome, meaningless debate here) is that you and many like you who have spent lord knows how much time deliberating an issue that last I knew was settled damn near FORTY YEARS AGO in a Supreme Court decision are going to take to the polls in a couple of months, and these are the issues driving your vote. Is anyone else aware that the, um, planet is melting? That, my friends, is the single most pressing issue facing not only our country but our SURVIVAL. In between all your incredibly interesting research on abortion, have you taken even a moment to look into Romney's plans for the environment? Nah, I didn't think so. Here's a quote from Mittens at the RNC: in contract to Obama's promises to heal the planet, "My promise is to help you and your family"? Where exactly does Mittens think I and my family live? Here -- on a melting planet!
Poppaone September 19, 2012 at 01:25 PM
Enough! This has now become a bore and a pissing contest. Let's move onto a new topic. How about the tax increases caused by Obamacare...
Poppaone September 19, 2012 at 01:32 PM
Let me count the ways...
Poppaone September 19, 2012 at 02:05 PM
Nice try, Sonny. You seem very confident with your answer. So far 13,000 pages of regulation for a 2700 page law, and they have only just started. It is not possible to know what is in it, but you must comply with it under penalty of law. The president took $716 billion out of medicare to pay for Obamacare but also raised taxes by $836.3 billion to pay for it. How can that be? As I said, let me count the ways...
Poppaone September 19, 2012 at 02:20 PM
New Taxes From Obambacare. - Starting next year, payroll tax for health insurance increases from 2.9% to 3.8%. - A tax applied to investment income for the first time - Fee on manufacturers and importers on branded drugs based on share of the market. - 2.5% Excise Tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices (driving up the cost of medical care while claiming to providing us with "freebees". - In 5 years, a 40% excise tax on so-called "Cadillac" health plans (some people require these plans because they already have pre-existing conditions) - In 2014, there is a penalty paid by employers who don't offer coverage. - In 2014, an annual fee by health insurance providers based on each company's share of the total market. - In 2014, Tax on individuals who do not purchase healthcare. - Limit on the amount an individual can deposit in a fexible spending account (FSA) to $2500. - Increased penalty for purchasing disallowed products. MORE - See below
Poppaone September 19, 2012 at 02:28 PM
- Reduction of the number of products that can be purchased using your Health Savings Account (HSA). - Fee on insured and self-insured health plans. - Elimination of corporate deduction for prescription expenses for retirees. - 10% Excise Tax on indoor tanning services (political agenda from some connected beaurocrat?) - Limit on the amount of SALARY that can be paid to each healthcare provider employee - End of special deduction for Blue Cross Blue Shield organizations - And so on and so on. So much for "there haven't been any "tax increases caused by Obamacare". WAKE THE HELL UP!
Kira Gagarin September 19, 2012 at 04:03 PM
Wow. I'm usually on the Framingham Patch. Interesting to see every town has that "Sonny Beaches".
Katy G. September 19, 2012 at 09:42 PM
Rose J, You claim to be frightened by me because I'm a one issue voter, then you proceed to illustrate that the only issue that motivates you when it comes to voting is the bogus climate change pseudo science that you've been duped by. Most of the research I know about concerning abortion was picked up in nursing school and medical articles I've read. I have to keep educating myself about my field of work as it's mandatory for me to keep my license. The reason why abortion was brought up in this feed is because liberals are claiming that Republicans have a 'war on women.' George W. Bush was president for 8 years and no one took birth control off of the market. Abortion isn't the main issue that I vote on. You need to read all of the posts here to understand where this conversation came from. This is really a conversation about those of us who work and whether or not we can continue to pay for birth control and abortion for 30 year old law school grads like Ms. Fluke. Here, I did your research for you. Try looking at an alternate point of view about 'global warming' and see if you still believe in it: http://eyreinternational.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/leaked-emails-expose-us-uk-science-fraud-on-global-warming/ http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/ You and your fellow liberals could also try to be respectful of people who are different from you.
Katy G. September 19, 2012 at 09:50 PM
Earnhardt, Sonny Beaches would be a poor comedian. He can only attempt to be funny by treating people who don't agree with him with contempt. He must not have a job. If you look at the time of his posts they span the day and evening. It's a sad reflection on someone who looks like he has nothing else to do all day which could indicate that he doesn't pay taxes, he lives off of them, in which case arguing that high taxes are an issue with Mr. Beaches is a waste of time. If he isn't successful at anything he probably doesn't have a family. If he has no kids then he has less reason to care about the future of the country. Contempt isn't a point of reference, it's a point of view.
Katy G. September 19, 2012 at 11:15 PM
More contempt from Mr. Beaches, proving my point. You and Ms. Gritter tried to make the argument that if the majority of people supported a law it must be right. If you aren't aware that the Nazi Party was a powerful force in Nazi Germany due to its popularity then you spend too much time in that cave you live in. If something is morally wrong, the majority of people supporting it doesn't make it right. If the majority of people in this country support abortion, then it's a non-issue as we are a representative republic, but that still doesn't justify folks like Poppaone, Earnhardt, and myself having to pay for other people's abortions with our tax dollars. The country is broke, not just regular old broke, but brokety broke, broke, broke, to put it in terms that you might understand. Even if you love the idea of spending tax dollars to pay for Ms. Fluke's sex life it may just be that America can't afford Ms. Fluke that luxury anymore. She may have to get a job using that law degree that she got from Georgetown and pay for her own abortions. Given that Georgetown law grads make $160,000 starting pay that shouldn't be too hard for Ms. Fluke. If you ever enter the work force and start paying taxes you'll have an easier time understanding how the rest of us feel. Until then, it's a working people thing, and you wouldn't understand.
Earnhardt September 20, 2012 at 01:24 AM
Sonny must be in that 47% Mitt was talking about. He commented all day from his parents basement bedroom... Living off the taxpayer's Sonny? by the way. did the "Implants" work? I heard through the grapevine you still have a limp.:)
Anonymous September 20, 2012 at 01:43 AM
Yea, yea. We are talking about humanity. But the costs of being human are high and rising. Just look at SPED education. And, since we are heading toward fiscal cliff, then what? Hey, have you heard that in Spain illegal immigrants can no longer have government funded health insurance now?
Earnhardt September 20, 2012 at 01:47 AM
@@@@@@@@ Sonny Beaches! Hey! there you are! tough day commenting all day while the rest of us worked? 47% :) :) Home health aide? you have one of those? Jeez I'm sorry... wait.. do you have the step in tub too?
Anonymous September 20, 2012 at 01:48 AM
By the way, why is it such a bad idea to have a healthy nation? Or do you enjoy to be around sick and overly-obese ugly people?
Katy G. September 20, 2012 at 02:06 AM
Mr. Beeches, the amount of frustration you express on this site makes me feel sorry for you. I don't imagine you'd need an implant if there was no one for you to use it with. Having a discussion with you is a waste of time. You can't address the point I made that majority acceptance of something immoral doesn't make it moral, whether it's abortion or ripping off those of us who actually work for a living. It's true, I do clean disabled and dieing adults as part of my work as a nurse. What you could never understand is that I worked my way through a four year nursing school because I enjoy taking care of other people as opposed to living in my parents basement or in a tax payer subsidized apartment doing nothing but heaping contempt on other people to make my meaningless life seem important the way you do. If this is the most power you can scrape together for yourself in life, your only ability to cobble together a sense of purpose in life, I think that a real job would go a long way for you. Turn off your computer. Go outside for a change and find something productive to do with your life. You get a little piece of time to live. You won't have much to show for your time here on earth if your only purpose is to hide out in a hole in the wall spewing hatred and contempt at people who want to engage in a real conversation.
Earnhardt September 20, 2012 at 02:07 AM
@@@@@@@@ Good night Sonny. Thanks once again for showing everyone just what you are! I Love this game! Do you have to ask your folks to leave the light on for you? LOLOL Good night! :)
Anonymous September 20, 2012 at 02:12 AM
Nazi Germany, Nazi Germany. I am sure, you people really have no idea about Nazi Germany and what was the life like in Germany prior to Hitler's assuming the power in 1933. When you are pushed against the wall, what are you going to do? Or maybe you think that USA, UK and France were the innocent peace-loving countries back then?
Earnhardt September 20, 2012 at 02:12 AM
Katy. he isn't going anywhere! his folks told him it was time to shut off the light and go to sleep. You can bet he is under the covers with a flashlight thinking real hard for a sassy comeback... He thinks he is pulling one over on the parents! :)
Katy G. September 20, 2012 at 02:25 AM
Anonymous, please don't get me wrong, this isn't an indictment of Germans. What I'm trying to explain to Ms. Gritter, mostly, because she claimed that a survey of 1,301 people by the N.Y. times proves that abortion is fine with most Americans, is that majority acceptance doesn't make something right. I could use the example of the Aztecs who sacrificed their enemies and members of surrounding less powerful communities to a sun god by ripping their still beating hearts out on a stone table. You could say that the majority of Aztecs found this perfectly fine. That doesn't make it morally correct, healthy or acceptable. Does that make sense to you? The idea that any activity is o.k. because it's popular shows a complete lack of moral standards for behavior. It may be that the majority of people are like Mr. Beeches, unable to reason out a moral stand point on anything. Their reasoning skills are reduced to contempt and twisting the subject, but not addressing the issue at hand. You, personally may feel that abortion is fine. I don't. You may feel that taking hard earned money away from one person and giving it to another able bodied person who doesn't work in the name of being 'fair' or for redistributive purposes is fine. I don't. We can both say that we have a different perspective. In that case, a logical argument in favor of the opposing view would be interesting. Meaningless insults are a sign of a weak or an absent point of view.
Rose J September 20, 2012 at 01:29 PM
I'm a liberal? That's news to me. Interesting links (both blogs, by the way), but anyone can google anything to find "support" of whatever they claim -- in your case, that our melting planet is nothing but "pseudo science." 330 consecutive months of the warmest temperatures on record: fact. Rapid Greenland ice melt: fact. Unpredictable and erratic weather -- the hallmark of global climate change (think wildfire, flooding, heat waves) -- worldwide: fact. This is not a partisan issue, and that is what scares me the most about people like you -- that you insist on making it one. On this issue, Katy, I actually wish you were right. But you're not. Facts are facts.
Anonymous September 20, 2012 at 03:20 PM
Katy, no I do not favor a redistribution of wealth. But at the same time you can't judge people who lived in their place and time for making life-n-death decisions pertinent to their nation's survival.
Anonymous September 20, 2012 at 03:57 PM
Sonny Beaches, if you think that members of National Socialist German Workers Party were conservatives, then you are wrong. Their mandates and influences on everyday life of ordinary Germans was enormous. They also did not care much about religious Christians.
Anonymous September 20, 2012 at 04:32 PM
Sonny beaches. I am not denying a women the right to choose. But at her own expense, not at mine or taxpayers. Why is it a reactionary if someone wants to save/protect taxpayers money, advocates for less taxes, small government, less waste and more transparency? If you want to pay more taxes, you should do it yourself. Open your own wallet and send a check to those women who need abortions. But leave others alone.
Carolyn A. Gritter September 20, 2012 at 07:55 PM
To commenters: Despite making what I thought to be reasoned and civil comments, I have received abusive phone calls referencing content. I hope the vituperation will stop. In the meantime, I'll be dropping out of the discussion. The caution is: don't naively use your full name as I did.
Bill M September 20, 2012 at 08:02 PM
While we disagree almost completely on this very serious topic it saddens me to hear that someone would go so far as to make an abusive phone call based on your posts.
M C Stringfellow September 20, 2012 at 08:59 PM
I am deeply sorry to hear that you have been receiving abusive calls. While I may disagree on somethings, I found your responses to be most helpful and am truly grateful for you input.
Katy G. September 21, 2012 at 12:28 AM
Ms. Gritter, I'm sorry to hear that you, of all of the people I disagree with are leaving the discussion. You do respond with reasoned, fact based, responses. Even if we don't see eye to eye, I'm sorry to hear that someone is being so rude to you. We have caller ID so that we know who is calling. I agree with Mr. Beeches, for once. Call the police and let them deal with it. Making threatening phone calls is against the law. Bullies need to be stopped from the start or they get out of hand.


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